Monday, December 23, 2013

What is it about money?

I was going to hold off blogging until the New Year, but irritation drove me to posting ...

In a recent article, Alan Kohler had this to say:
The real war is between monetary policy and the Digital Revolution – between the world of finance trying to reduce the value of money and therefore debt, and the world of technology pushing for greater efficiency and productivity, to drive prices lower and the value of money higher.
Why does money make perfectly sensible economists and economic commentators forget elementary economics? Money is a good. Fine, it is a special type of good, it is a transaction good--something used to facilitate transactions.  We use money, not because it has production or consumption utility--the paper or polymer notes we use as money has no interesting element of either--but because it has transaction utility (expected utility in future transactions).

Nevertheless, money is a good. The price of goods in a market is set by supply and demand. Sure, the price (in the sense of the swap value) of money is the inverse of the price for all other goods and services. That is, if P is the price level, the swap value of a unit of money is 1/P. (The money price of money is itself; i.e. the money price of x dollars in dollars is x dollars.)  Still, the price (swap value) of money is a supply-and-demand matter.

Since the supply of money need not be fixed--the joy of a token-money central bank is it can produce any amount of the tokens we use as money--there is no necessary effect for any amount of extra productivity to do anything to the price (i.e. swap value) of money. Productivity and output tell you nothing on their own about the swap value of money and thus the price level.
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If you don't believe me, ask the Zimbabweans. Zimbabwe has no currency of its own any more (Wikipedia labels its currency as "various"), because its central bank under Governor Gideon Gono was so profligate in printing money that hyperinflation got to an estimated 6.5 sextillion % in November 2008. In January 2009, Zimbabweans were legally able to use other currencies and shortly thereafter the Zimbabwean government stopped issuing currency. Whatever was happening to Zimbabwean productivity was rather beside the point in the face of such currency profligacy.

Gold standard effects
Kohler cites the deflationary experience of the C19th as supporting his view of the deflationary consequences of higher productivity:
During the second half of the 19th century prices fell consistently – that is, there was deflation – because of the impact on productivity of the Industrial Revolution. Between 1870 and 1900 the purchasing power of the US dollar doubled as prices came down.
Yes, there was a prolonged deflationary period in the latter C19th. The US, Germany and France all went on the gold standard in 1873. Under the gold standard, the price of gold sets the the price of money since money has a set exchange of rate of money into gold. So, if output of goods and services rises faster than the stock of gold--as happened in the gold zone from 1873 to 1896--then there will be deflation.

Conversely, if gold production outstrips growth in output of goods and services--as happened from 1896 to 1914 due to the Kalgoorlie/Coolgardie and Klondike gold rushes coming on top of the earlier Witwatersrand gold rush--then there will be inflation.

The Industrial Revolution did not suddenly go into reverse in 1896. Just as the current plunge in the Greek price level is not due to surging Greek productivity.

Sure, rising output and increasing productivity put downward pressure on prices. But whether this will have deflationary consequences depends on what is happening (and expected to happen) with money. Kohler is breaking Sumner's dictum--never reason from a price change. (Or, in this case, a price level change). Price, it is a supply AND demand matter. Including for money. Money may be special, but it is not that special. The gold zone deflation followed by the gold zone inflation were a gold-production and goods-and-services-output story, not just a goods-and-services-output story.

Good and bad deflation
As it happens, I agree that rising output and productivity was an important part of the 1873-1896 story, but not quite the way Kohler tells it. It helps explain why the 1870s expansion of the gold standard was bad for Britain, provided one understands the different sorts of deflation. For deflation can be divided into the good, the bad and the ugly (pdf).

Germany was in the process of industrialising: it could import millions of peasants into its cities, and did. The US was also in the process of industrialising and incorporating its westward expansion into its economic system. It could import millions of migrants into is cities, and did. In other words, Germany and the US had lots of inputs to add to their industrialising economies. Germany also received the institutional and transaction cost benefits of unification while the US received the institutional benefits of establishing a stable post-Civil War constitutional regime with the Compromise of 1877. To a significant extent, Germany and the US experienced "good deflation" (the downward pressure on prices of expanding output due to expanding, and more efficient use of, inputs). In other words, their aggregate supply curves kept shifting rightwards (i.e. producing more for a given price level).
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Rising productivity, falling demand, collapsing incomes

By the 1870s, Britain was already highly urbanised, highly industrialised and its institutions were about as economically efficient as was achievable without major political pain. There was not a lot of good deflation to be had. So, they experienced more "bad deflation" (downward pressure on nominal income/aggregate demand) due to growth in output of goods and services being higher than growth in the stock of gold. With income prospects therefore relatively poor in the UK, capital flowed out to the US, Germany and other places where returns were easier. (Throughout this post, income means money or nominal income.) Hence the UK falling behind the US and Germany in economic growth and industrial modernisation. (The US and UK had similar levels of per capita economic growth for much of the C19th: the US per capita growth rate only shifted above Britain's in the 1870s.)

The Euro is like an artificial gold standard. Just as entering the gold zone was about a pound sterling for everyone, so the Eurozone was a Deutschmark for everyone. And just as the initial expansion of the gold zone was bad for Britain, so too there was a similar adverse effect for Germany in the creation of the Eurozone. But Germany then went through a series of supply-side reforms (particularly labour market reforms) which put it in a much better position. German adjustment was helped by higher income growth in the Mediterranean countries; now it is the latter countries who need to do painful adjustments to make the Euro work, Germany is refusing to return the favour of accepting higher nominal income growth via higher inflation.

Inflation targeting
Applying the lessons of the 1873-1914 apotheosis of the gold standard, and grasping how simple inflation targeting is somewhat like the gold standard, enables us to see what is actually behind the phenomena Kohler is discussing.

Kohler writes that:
When the Industrial Revolution reduced costs, debt wasn’t an issue and prices could be allowed to fall. In fact, society’s most powerful were savers, not borrowers: for them deflation was a good thing so they made sure it happened.
This time around it’s different: borrowers are ascendant and central banks are working for them, not savers. In fact, savers are being plundered with super low interest in the name of promoting aggregate demand and maintaining inflation.
Pausing here, if it is all about rising productivity, how did savers "make sure" deflation happened? By insisting on a certain monetary policy regime perhaps?
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The cross of gold.

But Kohler is right in that deflation is nastier for debtors. But so is any collapse in income expectations (and income), since debtors rely on expected income to remain solvent.

Of course, a collapse in income expectations and income also becomes rapidly a problem for creditors, as their debt-assets (one person's liability is another person's asset) become increasingly threatened the sharper and more sustained the collapse in income and income expectations is. The problem with the Great Depression was "ugly" deflation--a massive and sustained drop in prices leading to a massive and sustained drop in income (since income = price x quantity) leading to mass insolvencies and financial collapses and crises.

Why was there a massive drop in prices? Because central banks (led by the Bank of France) hoarded gold, driving up its price, and therefore the price of money--which was at fixed exchange rates to gold--therefore driving down the price level in the gold zone (since the price level is the reciprocal of the swap value of money). Which then drove down incomes.

With both the gold standard and simple inflation targeting, the central bank takes responsibility for the maintaing the "value" of the currency (either in gold or on a set rate of change of the price level) but no responsibility for income expectations. So, if income expectations crash, that's unfortunate but does not lead to any change in the policy regime. (Until, of course, it does--such as by abandoning the gold standard.)

Recovery from such a transactions crash requires that income expectations recover. Such as due to an expected sustained rise in the price level.

Which is clearly not part of current expectations. Inflation has been low because central banks are making keeping inflation down their central priority and are very credible on that point.

As it happens, there is a productivity price norm (pdf) which Hayek and Keynes almost agreed on (pdf) where productivity shifts drive monetary policy. Keynes was a firm supporter of a stable price level; Keynesianism may be associated in some quarters with inflationary policies but, in this matter, Keynes was clearly not a Keynesian. A case of Etienne Gilson's point that the conclusions of the master are the premises of the disciple (who therefore fail to end up in quite the same place). But the productivity price norm is an explicit monetary policy regime, it is not some "natural" consequence of rising productivity.

The secular trend to low interest rates over recent decades are a product of rising incomes in China, India and most of Asia in between, leading to high savings rates. So saving has been "pushing on" investment, in a low inflation environment, hence low interest rates. Low interest rates are usually a sign that money has been relatively tight (i.e. the expected path of money is low compared to the expected path of output). So, once again we are back to supply and demand and the monetary policy regime.

Kohler's story of central banks heroically fighting the threat of rising productivity is fairy tale stuff. Worse, it is a fairy tale that allows central banks to evade responsibility for their actions. But ignoring the role of money and monetary policy in economic cycles does that. Acknowledging that supply and demand matter for money too--a point of elementary economics--would be a good start.

[Cross-posted at Skepticlawyer.]

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  1. Lorenzo: Yep. Good clear post. I had a similar reaction on reading that Alan Kohler article.

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  2. "Yes, there was a prolonged deflationary period in the latter C19th. The US, Germany and France all went on the gold standard in 1873. Under the gold standard, the price of gold sets the the price of money since money has a set exchange of rate of money into gold. So, if output of goods and services rises faster than the stock of gold--as happened in the gold zone from 1873 to 1896--then there will be deflation."

    This depends on the elasticity of demand for gold. The move to the gold standard made demand for gold more inelastic, so movement in GDP might actually exert a greater effect on prices than otherwise. According to my own estimates, after the gold rush, but before 1873, the elasticity of prices with respect to GDP was less than 1. When the range expands to 1896 or beyond, the estimate rises to about 1.5. Production could not have had this sort of impact on prices if base money substitutes for gold were not excluded. Even "good" deflation is not necessary deflation. In fact, decreased elasticity of demand for gold is what led to the gold standards destruction.

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    1. I was abstracting away from the issue of shifts in the demand for gold (until I got to the Great Depression). Nor is it surprising that expanding the monetary role of gold would tend to make demand for it more inelastic and interact more strongly with changes in output. And yes, I found Milton Friedman's argument that bimetallism would have been stabilising quite plausible.

      I sometimes wonder if the BoE's role in 1873-1914 was to stabilise demand for gold. Using the G = kPy equation, its primes inter pares role would there to have been to make sure k did not shift around too much, a role that the interwar Fed failed to fulfil after Strong's death.

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    2. "I sometimes wonder if the BoE's role in 1873-1914 was to stabilise demand for gold. Using the G = kPy equation, its primes inter pares role would there to have been to make sure k did not shift around too "

      That's worth considering. I plan to get in to Sayer's volumes on the BoE some time during the next year. Even a rudimentary understanding might encourage that, although the attempt, if it occurred, could throw other factors out of balance. And coordination of policies with other banks would be prerequisite. That is what happened after 1913. It is especially difficult for independent central banks to coordinate policy.

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    3. Continuing that line of thought, the "rules" of the classical gold standard would then have been a way for central banks to manage expectations about their behaviour (especially to each other).

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  3. What seems tricky to me though is that what the demand for money in a deflationary depression is quite different from the tight-money, high interest rate, pinch point that can foreshorten booms. The latter is a demand for monetary base needed for settlements the former is a demand for any sort of risk free broad money. It is very hard to satiate demand for broad money by increasing the monetary base isn't it?
    In the 1930s, not long after the (successful) initial devaluation of the USD versus gold, the US actually needed to buy up gold so as to prevent the USD appreciating back up versus gold and that was when interest rates were near the zero bound.

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  4. What I'm trying to say is that broad money is perhaps not a "good", rather (in its store of value role), it is an asset. As such its value comes from its ability to carry purchasing power through time until it can be used to buy say stocks once those are at a bargain price. Just as with any asset, having more of it around isn't what sets the price, its capacity to earn its way is what sets the price. If half of the companies in the SP500 were entirely bought up by a sovereign wealth fund, then after a year or so when things had settled down, the prices of the remaining stocks would not be altered. They would be worth what they earned and not overvalued "because there were fewer stocks being chased by the same amount of money".

    Goods are quite different from assets, goods get made and consumed, we want them for what they are not for transporting purchasing power through time. I guess collectables are a weird other class again because they neither earn nor get used up. I guess bitcoin and beanie babies are collectables. Perhaps houses are too. I don't think broad money can be thought of like that though.

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  13. Dr. Akuna God will continue to bless you more abundantly, for the good works you are doing in peoples life, I will keep on testifying about your good work I want to testify on how i got cured from HIV AIDS, I got infected with HIV AIDS disease in 2012 and I have visited several herbalists, spiritualists and pastors for cure but all to no avail, my world was gradually coming to an end until i saw a post in a Cure for HIV forum about a herbal doctor from Africa who prepared herbal Portion to cure all kinds of deadly diseases including HIV AIDS, ALS, Herpes simplex, Epilepsy, Leukemia, Asthma, Cancer, Gonorrhea etc, at first i doubted if it was real but decided to give Dr Akuna a try, when i contacted this herbal doctor via his email, he prepared a herbal portion and sent it to me via courier service, when i received this herbal portion, he gave me step by step instructions on how to apply it, when i applied it as instructed, i was cured of this deadly disease within 7days, I am now HIV Negative all thanks to Dr.Akuna. Contact this great herbal and spell doctor via his Email:drakunasolutiontemple@gmail.com or what app him through his websites:http://drakunasolutiontem.wixsite.com/dr-akuna or his Mobile:+2348154625070

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  14. Hello I am surprised and still shocked with the great miracle that happened in my family, my husband and I have been to various hospitals and I have been tested HIV positive last year in June and my husband was HIV negative I was so surprised because i was still ill at that time and that lead us to the hospital, but the doctor confirmed that he had kidney/ Cancer problems. since we spent money around to get drugs from different hospital, I was looking through the internet for help when I saw a comment of people talking about DR.Ogoni on how he heal them of HIV disease and other diseases, I did not believe at first but I just choose to try the herbs and I contacted him by email (dr.ogonisolutiontemple@gmail.com) he told me what to do even if mine was more stressful than my husband different herbs was sent to us. To my surprise, my husband and I waited patiently for the treatment and the instruction given to us by this man called Dr.Ogoni and we went for a medical test and the result was negative and my husband reconfirmed and it was quite correct, even our doctor was confused he said he has never see this kind of miracle before. Dr.Ogoni thank you very much for the good work in our lives and God will bless you for the good work you did. you can also contact that great and powerful man, if you have a problem with
    • Cancer(All Types)
    • Arthritis
    • Diabetes
    • Leukemia
    Contact him and be free forever, if you need herbs to cure your herpes, via email dr.ogonisolutiontemple@gmail.com

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  15. Happiness is all i see now I never thought that I will be cured from HERPES virus again. I have been suffering from a deadly disease (HERPES) for the past 3 years now, I had spent a lot of money going from one places to another, from churches to churches, hospitals have been my home every day residence. Constant checks up have been my hobby not until this faithful day, I was searching through the internet, I saw a testimony on how DR Aba helped someone in curing his HERPES disease, quickly I copied his email which is dr.abaherbalhome@gmail.com just to give him a test I spoke to him, he asked me to do some certain things which I did, he told me that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me, which he did, then he asked me to go for medical checkup after some days after using the herbal cure, behold I was free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email him on ( dr.abaherbalhome@gmail.com ) or you can whatsApp his mobile number on +2348107155060

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  16. God bless Dr. Myron for his marvelous work in my life, I was diagnosed of HERPES/HIV since 2010 and I was taking my medications, I wasn't satisfied i needed to get the HERPES.HIV out of my system, I searched about some possible cure for HERPES/HIV i saw a comment about Dr. Myron, how he cured HERPES/HIV with his herbal medicine, I contacted him and he guided me. I asked for solutions, he started the remedy for my health, he sent me the medicine through UPS SPEED POST. I took the medicine as prescribed by him and 8 days later i was cured from HERPES/HIV,thank you drmyronherbaltemple@gmail.com Dr Myron ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU SIR
    Dr Myron cure the flowing virus, contact his United state branch +19147094469 add him on whatsapp +2348158836673

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    2 diabetes cure
    3 ringing ear
    4 herpes cure
    5 warts cure
    6 HPV cure
    7 Hiv
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  17. Hello everyone my name is Rose Bukken from Ukraine and I’m here to testify to the general public on how my HIV/AID was cure by Dr mujaga, Thanks goes to Dr. mujaga who finally save my life with his herbal medication at no cost, May God continue to support you for the good work you are doing, i decided to share This contact to the general public for those that need his help. if you are out their suffering in pains looking for solution for any spiritual problem or effection of any kinds. Via him through this Email : drmujagaherbalcure@gmail.com, he his out there to help you out and put a smile in your face again. also he can cure any kinds of deadly disease, Herpes, HIV/Aids, Stroke, Herbs and Cancer. Truly100% sure treatment for just 7days as instructed on how to use his herbal medication all the pains are gone. Me and my family are now happy together again after 4years of suffering in pains and strongly from wrong hands also going from one doctor to another, I thank God whom actually make it possible. You can also call him via this Tel:+2348060441129
    And his area of specialization are....
    HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS
    DIABETES
    HIV/AIDS
    ENLARGEMENT OF PENIS
    CANCER
    STROKE
    EYE AND HEAR PROBLEM....ETC

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  18. God bless Dr. Myron for his marvelous work in my life, I was diagnosed of HERPES/HIV since 2010 and I was taking my medications, I wasn't satisfied i needed to get the HERPES.HIV out of my system, I searched about some possible cure for HERPES/HIV i saw a comment about Dr. Myron, how he cured HERPES/HIV with his herbal medicine, I contacted him and he guided me. I asked for solutions, he started the remedy for my health, he sent me the medicine through UPS SPEED POST. I took the medicine as prescribed by him and 8 days later i was cured from HERPES/HIV,thank you drmyronherbaltemple@gmail.com Dr Myron ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU SIR
    Dr Myron cure the flowing virus, contact his United state branch +19147094469 add him on whatsapp +2348158836673

    1 cancer cure
    2 diabetes cure
    3 ringing ear
    4 herpes cure
    5 warts cure
    6 HPV cure
    7 Hiv
    7 get your ex back
    8 pregnancy herbal medicine
    9 prostate enlargement

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  19. Hello everybody, I just want give this great testimony to the whole public about a great man who help me out in serious illness. I have HSV-1 AND HSV-2 DISEASE for good 2 years now and I was almost going to the end of my life due to the illness. All I have in my mind is, let me just give up because life is not interesting for me any longer and i also pray that God should accept my soul when ever I’m gone luckily for me, my kid sister run to me that she found a doctor in the INTERNET who can cure HSV-1 AND HSV-2 DISEASE. She helped me out in everything, the man asked for my details so he can prepare a herbal medicine for me. After he was done consulting on my details he told me how my medicine will be prepare, after he was done preparing my medicine he sent me my medication and after using it for 7 days i later started noticing something different in my blood so I went for my HSV-1 AND HSV-2 DISEASE test and I was tested Negative, I’m so happy that I can say I’m not patient of HSV-1 AND HSV-2 anymore. If you have HSV-1 AND HSV-2 or any sickness,HIV/AID,HPV,CANCER,HEPATITS B DIABETITS ALS,PENIS ENLARGEMNT please for your safety, contact DR.SABU VIA his email address:drsabuspelltemple@gmail.com or his Mobile whatsapp number+2347057624993 or his websites: https://drsabuspelltemple.wixsite.com/dr-sabu

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  20. this is real take it serious, who will believe that herbs can cure seven years HERPES in my body, i never believe that this will work i have spend a lot when getting drugs from the hospital to keep me healthy, what i was waiting for is death because i was broke, one day i hard about this great man who is well know of Herpes and cancer cure, i decided to email him, unknowingly to me that this will be the end of the herpes disease in my body, he prepare the herbal medicine for me, and give me instruction on how to take it, at the end of the two week, he told me to go to the hospital for a check up, and i went, surprisingly after the test the doctor confirm me negative, i thought it was a joke, i went to another hospital was also negative, then i took my friend who was also herpes positive to the Dr agbebaku, after the treatment she was also confirm negative . He also have the herb to cure cancer and HIV virus please i want every one with this virus to be free, that is why am dropping his email address,dragbebakuspellsolutiontemple@gmail.com do email him he is a great man. the government is also interested in this dr agbebaku, thank you for saving my life, and I promise I will always testify for your good work. contact him and also whatsapp him on +2349053099479 DOCTOR AGBEBAKU CAN AS WELL CURE THE FOLLOWING DISEASE:- 1. HIV/AIDS 2. HERPES 3. CANCER 4. ALS 5. Hepatitis B 6. Diabetes 7.EX BACK 8.PARKINSON DISEASE 9. ZIKA VIRUS, SEE MORE AT:https://dragbebakuherbalho.wixsite.com/solutioncenter

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  21. this is real take it serious, who will believe that herbs can cure seven years HERPES in my body, i never believe that this will work i have spend a lot when getting drugs from the hospital to keep me healthy, what i was waiting for is death because i was broke, one day i hard about this great man who is well know of Herpes and cancer cure, i decided to email him, unknowingly to me that this will be the end of the herpes disease in my body, he prepare the herbal medicine for me, and give me instruction on how to take it, at the end of the two week, he told me to go to the hospital for a check up, and i went, surprisingly after the test the doctor confirm me negative, i thought it was a joke, i went to another hospital was also negative, then i took my friend who was also herpes positive to the Dr agbebaku, after the treatment she was also confirm negative . He also have the herb to cure cancer and HIV virus please i want every one with this virus to be free, that is why am dropping his email address,dragbebakuspellsolutiontemple@gmail.com do email him he is a great man. the government is also interested in this dr agbebaku, thank you for saving my life, and I promise I will always testify for your good work. contact him and also whatsapp him on +2349053099479 DOCTOR AGBEBAKU CAN AS WELL CURE THE FOLLOWING DISEASE:- 1. HIV/AIDS 2. HERPES 3. CANCER 4. ALS 5. Hepatitis B 6. Diabetes 7.EX BACK 8.PARKINSON DISEASE 9. ZIKA VIRUS, SEE MORE AT:https://dragbebakuherbalho.wixsite.com/solutioncenter

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  22. :EASY WAY TO CURE HERPES:

    i am millian josh, you can also add me on Facebook or send me an email via millianjosh@gmail.com. the main reason why i publish my email and Facebook account out, is that there are several scam on the internet who claim that they have the cure of herpes.i am here to share a marvel testimony,because i have being scam of $1800 by DR odogu. who so ever that claim such email is a scam.but i thank a kind Godsent man who cure my herpes without collecting money from me,his name is doctor OOSA. i never believed that their could be any complete cure for Herpes or any cure for herpes,i saw people’s testimony on blog sites and Facebook page of how Dr OOSA prepare herbal cure and brought them back to life again. i had to try it too and you can,t believe that in just few weeks i started using it all my pains stop gradually and i had to leave without the herpes the doctor gave to me. Right now i can tell you that few months now i have not had any pain, and i have just went for text last week and the doctor confirmed that there is no trace of any herpes system on my body. Glory be to God for leading me to this genuine to Dr OOSA I am so happy as i am sharing this testimony. My advice to you all who thinks that their is no cure for herpes that is Not true ,just contact him and get cure from Dr OOSA via doctoroosaherbalhome@gmail.com and you will be free and free forever, Try it and you will not regret it because it truly works. One thing i have come to realize is that you never know how true it is until you try. There is no harm in trying. Remember, delay in treatment leads to something else.and i wonder why the USA doctor are not doing anything about this herpes and it spreading so fast.Here is his email: doctoroosaherbalhome@gmail.com Contact him and be free from herpes!thank you for helping me to cure my HERPES.

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  23. I'm here to testify about how I was cured of my genital herpes / Hiv disease by Dr. myron the great trabic doctor, I had a serious headache, although I accept treatment, the headache never goes away, I was told to go to I did the result that I have herpes / HIV, that in my brain there is a tumor, since then I was not myself, everything got worse day by day, I was hoping for death, I was told about the Great herbal doctor who can heal any disease in this life, I quickly collected his e-mail message to Thoroe is drmyronherbaltemple@gmail.com. I sent him an e-mail to find out if it was possible to heal my illness, he told me that I was in the right place, that I should. Do not worry that everything will be fine, I believed that it is based on the testimonies I saw in He asked me to buy some of the things that I bought, he prepared herbal medicines and told me that there is holy water that will be sent to me, I paid for the courier service, my parcel came, I took the holy water as prescribed by them. I began to feel normal, headache was gone, he pops overpower me to go for an examination, the tumor, which was visible in my brain was no longer. Thank DR. Myron, if you have any serious problems, you can contact him through his email which is dr.myron. drmyronherbaltemple@gmail.com contact his branch United States +19147094469 add it to whatsapp +2348158836673

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