Wednesday, May 18, 2011

Narcissism: ego defence as self-delusion

A friend who practises Chinese medicine put me on to this Webinar by Lonny Jarrett, a Chinese medicine practitioner who runs the Nourishing Destiny website. In it Jarrett differentiates between the authentic self − which he identifies with the life force, the urge to create what was not there before − and the ego, which insists on separation and control. He explicitly evokes Taoist and Buddhist notions in this.

Jarrett argues that the ego is a great barrier to healing because it blocks seeing what is (a point that applies to both patient and practitioner) and, in particular, wants healing without taking responsibility for change, wants to delay doing what is required until it “feels like it”. The ego demands attention to its hurts, traumas and concerns in a way that can block actually fixing the problems.

That is surely true. Jarrett is arguing that the ego is where family and social conditioning resides (or, at least, operates through) and the authentic self is what one can use to break through that conditioning. Which is hard: particularly if one has been, in effect, conditioned to feel bound by one’s conditioning. To not believe that there is something that you have access to by your actions or thoughts which can be relied upon.

If one looks at the ego as insisting on separation and control then narcissism becomes – in its pure form – the complete insistence on separation and control. Including the insistence that reality serve that separation and control or, at least, that how reality is construed does so. The ego reaches out and blocks one’s apprehension of reality from contradicting the needs of the ego. In other words, the narcissist’s convenience becomes their reality principle, the determiner of how they see reality.

Which makes narcissism very hard to heal, since apprehension of reality is, in effect, policed before it can provide a contradicting perspective. There is neither the motive to change (since the harm is generally inflicted on others) nor an avenue for seriously assessing one’s own perspectives. No wonder counselling and psychotherapy can often make narcissists worse. The last thing they need is their emotions validated and it would take a very alert therapist to begin to pick holes in presentation of events that they have no independent verification of. Even if they do so, the narcissist is likely to conveniently reconstrue, or otherwise block, any responses by the therapist that contradict the convenience of the ego.

It can also make dealing with a narcissist profoundly disorienting, since the meaning of all their actions is subordinated to their ego needs. So there is no independent meaning, or even factual basis, to rely on: no consistency beyond their needs and conveniences (which can, of course, change – even from moment to moment). Words and actions do not have the meaning that would be commonly ascribed to them.

Once, however, you work out what is going on, then things suddenly make much more sense. (Though a sense which can be infuriating, in a different way.) One lives in a world where they feel free to contradict themselves and events whenever convenient. As Joanna Ashmum says in her very useful discussion of narcissistic traits:
The most telling thing that narcissists do is contradict themselves. They will do this virtually in the same sentence, without even stopping to take a breath. It can be trivial (e.g., about what they want for lunch) or it can be serious (e.g., about whether or not they love you). When you ask them which one they mean, they'll deny ever saying the first one, though it may literally have been only seconds since they said it – really, how could you think they'd ever have said that? You need to have your head examined! They will contradict FACTS. They will lie to you about things that you did together. They will misquote you to yourself. If you disagree with them, they'll say you're lying, making stuff up, or are crazy.
They are the classic emotional vampires who cannot see themselves in the mirror while being profoundly disorienting, or infuriating, or both to deal with.

Their deepest problem is fear: narcissists are profoundly fearful people. They are so terrified of having to bear responsibility for their actions that reflect badly on themselves that they make their (defensive ego) convenience their reality principle. Their psyche is profoundly out of balance: to be cured of their personality disorder, they need to be punctured from their protective ego-inflation and yet be led to the inner confidence to deal with their own bad behaviour. (Which, of course, mounts over time: so becoming ever more frightening.) This is a difficult double act to say the least: particularly given how thoroughly their sense of reality is policed.

The extent of the self-delusion involved can be staggering. (Do they really think that you do not remember what happened? Apparently not.) But that is the point, really. First there is no you-as-actual-person in all this, there is merely whatever picture of you is convenient for the narcissist at any given moment.

Second, there is no what-actually-happened either, there is merely what it is convenient for the narcissist to “remember” as having happened. Which means there is no conversation to be had, no meaningful interaction. There is nothing beyond the narcissist’s convenience that can be appealed to, that sets some common standard, or even common reality. The narcissist’s armour of self-delusion means that nothing will get through, not in the ordinary course of events. So nothing useful will come out, either.

Which makes interacting with a narcissist more like an unfortunate happening, a sort of personal natural disaster, than a personal interaction in any meaningful sense.

But, of course, they are a person: they speak, they act. It is very disorienting, to have to treat what they say and do as not having the ordinary meanings and consequences. This is why an acquaintance was so right to call narcissists “serial killers of the soul”, since such can so profoundly undermine one’s trust in others and, even worse, oneself.

It is very hard not, at some level, to accept their framing as mattering. They are a person, after all – particularly if they were a person who was emotionally important to you.

But they are not really a personality in quite the way other folk are. That is the first, last and hardest lesson of dealing with people personality disorders – they really do not think as you do.

It is, sadly, a lesson one often has to keep re-learning.

98 comments:

  1. I've had the experience of people close to me exhibiting narcissistic tendencies. It's so frustrating. What do you do when someone lies to themselves and to you? And then denies that they lied to you? What frustrates me most is the total inability to take responsibility. It's always someone else's fault, someone else's responsbility, someone else did it. One just feels like shaking them till their teeth rattle.

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  2. LE The level of insulted frustration involved (since if the consequences of their bad behaviour are not their responsibility, "clearly" they are the responsibility of the person hurt by their behaviour) leads to all sorts of desires to find a way to really get their attention. Shaking them until the teeth rattle seems more of a starting point ...

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  3. There is not only "insulted frustration" but also, over an extended period of isolated contact (and they *will* isolate you, because it's one of the ways they use to "empower" themselves - being one of your few points of contact) a gradual wearing down of self-confidence in worldview and the ability to understand, followed by repetitive, singular abuse. They, of course, present themselves to the world as lovely, approachable, gentle people. Behind closed doors with the people they claim to "love", they are nasty, violent and will not accept anything you voluntarily offer them, yet bleed you dry of the things you choose to keep to yourself.

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    1. I'm another "anonymous": Reading these comments, and the original post, is like being offered a life-belt as I am hurled down the river to the waterfall...I might still drown, but now I've got something that just might keep me afloat. "Insulted frustration" is a perfect description of my habitual mental state since I met my partner.

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  4. Anonymous: you write with the knowledge of serious experience -- my condolences.

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  5. (a different "anonymous")

    I left home when I could not shake the alarming nightmares in which I dreamed that I brutally attacked and eventually murdered my narcissistic parent in an attempt to "get through to them".

    I still have flashbacks of the sense of violent despair and numb futility I experienced as, regardless of the means I dreamed I was using to destroy them physically, their voice continued, and they remained absolutely resolute in their nastily posed declarations that they were right and I, and the rest of the world if necessary, wrong.

    I'm very glad that I got away, but I am far from over the harm they did me, or free of their influence, still.

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    1. That is what has happened to me. I have poured love at my partner, in the conviction that if I just loved him come what may, he would see that he is loved despite childhood experiences, and it would bring down the barriers. As I am almost always met with stonewalling, withdrawal and contempt, interspersed with sudden passionate desire that reverts to contempt again, I have become almost desperate, full of frustration and hurt.
      I have had a horrible nightmare of killing my partner with a spade and burying him in the garden. And I slid a lot of books off a shelf instead of hitting him, and now he says I need intense psychotherapy for my deep-rooted anger. I think it is not deep-rooted, I think it is just now sending out its first tiny roots, and it is a tragic thing.
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  6. Anonymous-the-second: Narcissists engage in such a profound dismissal of others as a person, that violent impulses towards a narcissist who has been powerful in one's life is entirely understandable. (In some ways, it is surprising they don't get murdered more often.)

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  7. Yet another anonymous, that is..


    Loving the projected narcissism in these comments!

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  8. Anonymous-the-third: that is a thoroughly unwarranted inference which suggests to me you lack any serious experience with a genuine narcissist.

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    1. Although several years after your comment was posted, Lorenzo, I nevertheless feel I must wholeheartedly agree with you. I came across this (to my mind, highly informative) post in an internet search on narcissism and ego, because I too have unfortunately had significant experience with several narcissists - including in my immediate family, and I would say to anonymous-the-third that if anything I have found projection to be one of the defining characteristics of the narcissists' arsenal, and not anywhere near as common in those who are more open to criticism. Projection goes hand in hand with repression, and repression of certain 'home truths' about the narcissist's own mind and behaviour is one of the pervasive features of their whole makeup.

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  9. Really thought provoking article Lorenzo.

    I dated a narcissist on and off for 4 years and the thing I was unable to understand was his unshaken belief everyone believed his lies.

    Everyday the lies to cover other lies were heaped on each other, the blame game was played, it was always someone else's fault that the bills weren't paid, or that that girl thought she loved him, or that the $100 went missing from the petty cash.

    Even when he was caught out he'd sit there saying "No, you're/he's/she's/they're wrong. That's not what happened."

    You begin to question your own sanity, your own understanding of the world, what's real, whether or not you're the person with the problem.

    It came to the point that I felt that I was going to come undone and commit an act of violence at him, instead I chose myself; at least I couldn't go to jail for that.

    I look back to what little he told me of his past, and he tells a completely different story to everyone now and I wonder "Who the hell did I fall in love with, did he ever exist as a real person at all?"

    I now understand, after reading your article, that no he didn't exist at all, at least not as the person I thought he was.

    Kate

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  10. Kate -- glad you found my post so helpful. Your own comment is very eloquent and sane. (That the narcissist who was so destructive in my life went off and dated a Kate just adds to the resonance.) And no, they do not exist as the person you thought they were.

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  11. I need to know if a narcissist can change, say ,after a breakdown.....i really need to know this because after over twenty years and much damage my partner is now saying he sees himself in a true light. Now he tells me he's horrified by his actions and I have watched the horror comes over his face. He tells me he is afraid and really hasn't a clue who he is but that the big empty space he felt is gone. He also tells me he loves me and will never hurt me again with other women. However i am so wary and horrified myself at what i discovered a few months ago and it has smashed open the illusion of my whole life with him...tho i must say he has been so ruthless over the years i don't know why i never suspected affairs. Can he change? He has apologised over and over again and tells me he wants no part of that sordid, deceitful, selfish world ( his words). HELP!!

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  12. Anon: I am merely a lay person who has had an awful experience and read a fair bit. Yes, there are cases of people overcoming narcissism, at least to a significant degree. It can only happen because they want to and the only cases I am aware of involved love of another.

    What I can say with confidence is: judge them only by their behaviour. It is a good sign if they verbally take responsibility WITHOUT shifting blame on to others. But make it clear they will be judged by how they act, not by what they say.

    I would also suggest they engage in some regular volunteer service to others: the habit of seriously attending to others has to be built up.

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  13. Lorenzo..thank you so much for your reply. I have seen such change in my husband but I can't believe the difference in what I thought he was and the reality. I was so confused throughout our life together..couldn't understand how callous he would be with me...but I thought he was just afraid of his feelings...oh the lies I told myself. On my search to find answers I found myself reading about narcissists and the more I read the more frightened I became...there he was in all his narcissistic glory. The devastation these people leave behind is so sad. Well I'm aware that i am mourning the loss of an illusion...wide awake now and seeing everything and it hurts. I know everyone who is involved with a narcissist comes out with scars but I am alright....I think !!! Best wishes to you and thank you again.

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  14. Anon: My pleasure and I hope it works out. (I particularly recommend Emotional Vampires by Albert J Bernstein.)

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  15. I have recently experienced a full blown narcissist. I had a jesus statue in my window...up comes one in his...a series of events happened like this to manipulate me into thinking we had a lot in common. For three years my intuition told me he was rotten, but finally at a weak moment I was seduced by the illusion, and fell into the trap. He acts angelic and has perfected the image of wounded child..great at facades and the art of person. Actually he's very scary, but what is puzzling is how most everyone with the exception of me can't see his true nature. He has a plethora of enablers and collaborators, but keeps them all seperated so noone can compare notes.

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    1. Not comparing notes: that would be a lot of how he does it.

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  16. Bruno, narcissism is a disease of intimacy. That's why people don't see it, they overlook the little things. Those of us who have been brought near death by them see others very quickly but unfortunately most people really don't care to see beyond the surface superficiality until they have cause.

    Three years your intuition was telling you? May I ask why you didn't listen to it. Not a judgement, both my parents and I've only known what it is in the last few years but I think three years is a long time to ignore intuition.

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  17. I have been doing alot of research on an individual being a Narcissist and for the past year I became involved with a woman and I ended up falling in love with her however as time went on I began noticing that she had NO EMPATHY whatsoever at least not towards me but everything in her life was all important and she was continually obsessed with her appearance etc it didn't ever seem to matter how good I treated her as a man or respected her because she only rejected it. I finally found myself being emotionally drained and in fact I was losing my own identity due to always having to compliment her and deal with her lack of respect to me or any empathy! With her it was always LOOK AT ME AND WHAT I AM DOING AND HER FRIENDS AND ACTIVITIES but when it came to my interests and Friends she always put them down. I had my Friends and Family tell me that something was seriously wrong with her when they were around her and they saw how she tore me down to the point I had to end our relationship of course she said it was all my fault and she just walked away with her delusions! I told my Family and Friends that even though she treated me like I was nothing I loved her and because of that I kept on going back to her and forgiving her but she NEVER admitted any wrong and she always blamed me for everything. I wish that I had never met her and fell in love with her because she used that against me to get her way!

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    1. Being entangled with a narcissist leads to lots of regrets.

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  18. If someone is still here to talk, I could really use help.

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    1. Sorry, the gadget that alerted me to comments died. I am merely a lay person with some chastening experiences. Try and find an open-minded friend, or failing that, a professional counselling psychologist.

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  19. Thank you for sharing everyone. My illusion of who my husband is just shattered. I didnt go to work today as I was up till 5am reading about passive aggression while he sat outside our apartment. I tried forcing him to talk and admit to using the silent treatment agaisnt me. Earlier yesterday it all started with a sudden outburst of anger from him as we were getting ready to go to an event by the publication where I write a column in...I kept asking him, "what's wrong? How can I help". He snapped. Telling me to shut up. It escalated, he walked away from our car midroute and I drove after him, making 4 u turns to just stop by him and watch him walk away again. As always he showed bo empathy of me becoming increasingly stressed and feeeling hurt. Or the fact that I was going against traffic - good thing it was a quiter street but still, he just walked away as if the car or me were nonexistent. Please continue to share. It helps.

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  20. Anonymous - your husband sounds exactly like the "newly single" man I was seeing. He would sulk, push blame on me and have small hissy fits very early into our relationship. He changed almost overnight from a very charming, lovely man who was intensely interested in me to an angry, aggressive, insulting and contradictory person, both toward others and myself, making almost no effort to hide these tendencies. I chalked this up to him being "screwed up" after leaving his wife. Now that I've read the DSM on narcissism, and the comments here, it seems obvious I was dealing with a narcissist and lucky to get out early on. I hope you will be okay.

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  21. I live with one. The best thing to do is not take them seriously. Treat their actions like children or a special person. Otherwise you will die of stress. I have a theory similar to above but, it's also a long shot. It will cure your narcissist. It may kill them though.

    See, there is this character on a show called Naruto. His name is Gaara. Gaara has an unstoppable sand defense. This is the like narcissism defense. The sand is a metaphor for lies and delusions. Anyway, Gaara fought someone called Rock Lee and Lee beat the crap out of Gaara with brute force. It wasn't enough. Constantly telling them the truth won't work. The sand aka delusions will keep returning.

    Then, Gaara fought Sasuke. Sasuke penetrated his sand/delusions with the Chidori. The Chidori is an attack meant for assassination. It pierces anything and is one thrust. It made Gaara feel pain for the first time in his life aka take responsibility. I believe that if you hit the narcissist with an undeniable truth that they must face it will penetrate their ego defense.

    So, you just need a truth that his or her defense cannot block. I tried this and it worked. My narcissist started crying and fled from me. Get angry, hit them with facts after facts like a lawyer in court. Don't let up. This is how it went.

    Narc: me, me, me.. change change change.
    me: do you want to know how I really feel?
    Narc:yea, blah blah blah..
    Me:fact,evidence. Fact, example. Fact, evidence. I think you are selfish.
    Narc:'crying in front of me to get a reaction'
    Me: no reaction at all. (Say nothing and carry on with what you were doing or leave.)
    Narc: fled to resupply

    Hours later I saw that the Narc called their boyfriend and guilted them into treating them special. How sad. The sand defense returned but, I made them feel. The next time we spoke, which was about a week later, they tried to kick me out the house.

    Just remember, don't attack unless you have an escape route. In contrast, after Sasuke hit Gaara, the real monster revealed itself...

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    2. LOL and so true. And the more they run (off), the more they hate you and the shorter their "coming back" time will be.

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  24. Thank you deeply for such an insightful article. I've been going through rough times with my boyfriend (now ex), just for him to bring to my attention through his research that I am a narcissist. Reading through this article was like putting a huge mirror in front of me. I can attest to the vast majority of what you wrote. I see that my whole family are a bunch of narcissists too.

    Once again, I appreciate you putting this content out here. It was very humbling and eye-opening. I can see myself clearly in the mirror, and I am determined to heal, and reading articles like this is my first step.

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  26. Everything I read here is true (and experienced by myself in my past relationship with a narcissist. I am surprised that I am still around to talk about it, since they will destroy you).
    It has been years and still I relive it every day in fear or Anger (talking about destroying your life!....)

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  29. ITS BEEN
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    NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT MY HUSBAND PLEASE BE CAREFUL HERE I HAVE BEEN SCAM
    THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF YOU WANT A TRUE SPELL CASTER THEN CONTACT LORD
    AJIGBOTIFA VIA website …@http://lord-ajigbotifatemple.jimdo.com/ OR EMAIL
    LORD.AJIGBOTIFA@GMAIL.COM........TEL:+2349096016480

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  30. ITS BEEN
    OVER TWO MONTHS NOW IN FACT I STILL CALL HIM TO THANK HIM AS MY LIFE WAS
    NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT MY HUSBAND PLEASE BE CAREFUL HERE I HAVE BEEN SCAM
    THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF YOU WANT A TRUE SPELL CASTER THEN CONTACT LORD
    AJIGBOTIFA VIA website …@http://lord-ajigbotifatemple.jimdo.com/ OR EMAIL
    LORD.AJIGBOTIFA@GMAIL.COM........TEL:+2349096016480

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  31. My ex-boy dumped me 6 months ago after I accused him of seeing another woman and insulting him.I want him back in my life but he refused to have any contact with me.He changed his line,block me from sending him email and facebook.I was so confuse and don't know what to do. So I reach to the internet for help and I saw a testimonies of how this powerful spell caster help them to get their ex back. So I contact the spell caster whose name is Dr Shiva and explain my problem to him and he cast a spell for me and assure me of 2days that my ex will return to me, and to my greatest surprise the Second day my ex came knocking at my door and ask me to forgive him.I am so happy that my love is back again. Once again thank you Dr Shiva,you are truly talented and gifted. Email: reunitingexspell@yahoo.com . He is the only answer to your problems.He can be of great help and I will not stop publishing his name for the good work he did for me andpeople are still talking about him on the Internet. REUNITINGEXSPELL@YAHOO.COM

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  32. My life became devastated when my husband sent me packing, after 8 years that we have been together. I was lost and helpless after trying so many ways to make my husband take me back. One day at work, i was absent minded not knowing that my boss was calling me, so he sat and asked me what its was all about i told him and he smiled and said that it was not a problem. I never understand what he meant by it wasn't a problem getting my husband back, he said he used a spell to get his wife back when she left him for another man and now they are together till date and at first i was shocked hearing such thing from my boss. He gave me an email address of the great spell caster who helped him get his wife back, i never believed this would work but i had no choice that to get in contact with the spell caster which i did, and he requested for my information and that of my husband to enable him cast the spell and i sent him the details, but after two days, my mom called me that my husband came pleading that he wants me back, i never believed it because it was just like a dream and i had to rush down to my mothers place and to my greatest surprise, my husband was kneeling before me pleading for forgiveness that he wants me and the kid back home, then i gave Happy a call regarding sudden change of my husband and he made it clear to me that my husband will love me till the end of the world, that he will never leave my sight. Now me and my husband is back together again and has started doing pleasant things he hasn't done before, he makes me happy and do what he is suppose to do as a man without nagging. Please if you need help of any kind, kindly contact Happy for help and you can reach him via email: happylovespell2@gmail.com

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  33. Don't get wasted I am here to talk about my past experiences with spell casters..i had problems with my relationship and i did all to make sure that my woman never break up with me..all in the midst of this, i lost concentration at work and things went really bad for me as i lost my job too..the little money i saved was what i tried to get my wife back with even if i will loose all..i was too desperate and i was taken advantage of as i lost the same money on two different casters from Nigeria. of course i trusted them too much and never knew they did nothing for me so my woman went ahead with breaking up with me..i confronted them that they failed their promise and ever since then, i have never heard a world again from them..That was how fake casters ended my relationship with my woman and i planned i was going to stop everyone like them..i met with another that promised me to get her back to me and i almost laughed and said it was another lie, but he wasn't as he did cast a love spell on her and now we are talking of why we did break up and coming back together in just two days and not months like the other did made me wait..you see why you have to open you eyes and think before the liars here plays with your heart and trust like a toy.{GREATOGUDUGU@GMAIL.COM}tel.+2348057266712..he can also help you to solve any problem…Lol I am very happy now.Claudy

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  34. Hello everyone reading this wonderful testimony,my wife dumped me 8 months ago after I accused her of seeing another man and insulting her.I want her back in my life but she refused to have any contact with me. She changed her line and block me not to have any contact with her. I was so confuse and don’t know what to do. So I reach to the internet for help and I saw a testimonies of how this powerful spell caster help them to get their ex back. So I contact the spell caster whose name is Dr Osato on the email (relationshipspell@gmail.com) and explain my problem to him and he cast a spell for me and assure me of 2days that my wife will return to me, and to my greatest surprise,the Second day of it my wife came knocking at my door and she beg me to forgive her and accept her back. I am so happy that my love is back again. Dr Osato,he is truly talented and gifted. Email him for any kind of help at RELATIONSHIPSPELL@GMAIL.COM He is the only answer to relationship and marrriage issues. He can be of great help and I will not stop publishing his good work because people are still talking about him on the Internet.

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  35. Hello. Every body my name is Ruwani Koushalya I am here to inform you all about the good things that happened in my life. when I had a divorce with my husband some few months back. Me and my husband had a divorce dew to some family crisis in our home my husband absents in the home was like war in my life when I came across an old friend of mine who described me to great native doctor called Dr.Zack Balo.when I first hard of it I thought of it as a joke till when I discussed with him about my situation. Then he told me to buy some items whhich I bought. And with about a 3days. after my husband which I never saw up to one year came home and was begging for forgiveness which I happily accepted. And up till now me and my family have being living happily ever after and also all thanks was to Dr.Zack Balo and also if have a problem such as mine or you have any other sickness like HIV/AIDS. Cancers you can easily email him on (wiseindividualspell@gmail.com) and also I am using this medium to tell you people to please helpe me thank Dr.Zack Balo for his wonderful job that has being don by him and my god will bless him in jesus name amen and here again you can contact him on his email address wiseindividualspell@gmail.com!!!

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  36. Hello, is good I inform all the men and guys out there, that sometime we all make mistakes in our relationship and made our relationship to be broken and is also our responsibility to make it work by seeking for solution to it, I'm very happy today to tell you little of my relationship problem, i cheated once on my wife and she caught me and she was ready to end our marriage because i truly love her i quickly seek for solution to stop her that is when i came across Dr.Ekpen temple who has help so many people restore their broken marriage and relationship i also contact him today my marriage is restored, I'm going to drop his contact so that does having the same issues can contact him for solution on (ekpentemple@gmail.com) or +2347050270218.

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  37. Hello. Every body my name is Ruwani Koushalya I am here to inform you all about the good things that happened in my life. when I had a divorce with my husband some few months back. Me and my husband had a divorce dew to some family crisis in our home my husband absents in the home was like war in my life when I came across an old friend of mine who described me to great native doctor called Dr.Zack Balo.when I first hard of it I thought of it as a joke till when I discussed with him about my situation. Then he told me to buy some items whhich I bought. And with about a 3days. after my husband which I never saw up to one year came home and was begging for forgiveness which I happily accepted. And up till now me and my family have being living happily ever after and also all thanks was to Dr.Zack Balo and also if have a problem such as mine or you have any other sickness like HIV/AIDS. Cancers you can easily email him on (wiseindividualspell@gmail.com) and also I am using this medium to tell you people to please helpe me thank Dr.Zack Balo for his wonderful job that has being don by him and my god will bless him in jesus name amen and here again you can contact him on his email address wiseindividualspell@gmail.com!!!

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  38. My life became devastated when my husband sent me packing, after 8 years that we have been together. I was lost and helpless after trying so many ways to make my husband take me back. One day at work, i was absent minded not knowing that my boss was calling me, so he sat and asked me what its was all about i told him and he smiled and said that it was not a problem. I never understand what he meant by it wasn't a problem getting my husband back, he said he used a spell to get his wife back when she left him for another man and now they are together till date and at first i was shocked hearing such thing from my boss. He gave me an email address of the great spell caster who helped him get his wife back, i never believed this would work but i had no choice that to get in contact with the spell caster which i did, and he requested for my information and that of my husband to enable him cast the spell and i sent him the details, but after two days, my mom called me that my husband came pleading that he wants me back, i never believed it because it was just like a dream and i had to rush down to my mothers place and to my greatest surprise, my husband was kneeling before me pleading for forgiveness that he wants me and the kid back home, then i gave Happy a call regarding sudden change of my husband and he made it clear to me that my husband will love me till the end of the world, that he will never leave my sight. Now me and my husband is back together again and has started doing pleasant things he hasn't done before, he makes me happy and do what he is suppose to do as a man without nagging. Please if you need help of any kind, kindly contact Happy for help and you can reach him via email: happylovespell2@gmail.com

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  39. i am Samantha from New York. i want to use this medium to congratulate Dr.Oboh for the great help of spell he has render to my relationship outbreak. since the past 4 years i was in a relationship problem with my ex boyfriend, he always get me beating, i never knew he has another girl outside the town, her name is Mera, until i got this great spell caster email address obohguaranteespell@gmail.com from the internet, so i email him and i tell him all my complain, he promise me that i am to keep off away from him, and i really agreed on it,but on a condition that my lost ex will be back to me,,,, he really put some few items which he uses to consulting his great oracle, his plan for my relationship was fulfill and my lost ex boyfriend was back again within 3days... please if you are in such mess today please contact him at obohguaranteespell@gmail.com or call him now and his phone number +2349032868545 and get your help today

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  40. He just keep on loving me everyday since when Dr.Ogudugu helped me through his act of spell casting to bring him back to me, Kennedy and i have been having a rocky relationship for some time but i am so happy now because since the interference of Dr.Ogudugu Kennedy has changed to be a romantic lover and these are thing he has not been doing for some time. I believe this will prove to people that Dr.Ogudugu is a powerful spell caster and you can contact Dr.Ogudugu through these details below

    Via Email: greatogudugu@gmail.com

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  41. My name are Derek Natasha,my life became devastated when my husband sent me packing, after 8 years that we have been together. I was lost and helpless after trying so many ways to make my husband take me back. One day at work, i was absent minded not knowing that my boss was calling me, so he sat and asked me what its was all about i told him and he smiled and said that it was not a problem. I never understand what he meant by it wasn't a problem getting my husband back, he said he used a spell to get his wife back when she left him for another man and now they are together till date and at first i was shocked hearing such thing from my boss. He gave me an email address of the great spell caster who helped him get his wife back, i never believed this would work but i had no choice that to get in contact with the spell caster which i did, and he requested for my information and that of my husband to enable him cast the spell and i sent him the details, but after two days, my mom called me that my husband came pleading that he wants me back, i never believed it because it was just like a dream and i had to rush down to my mothers place and to my greatest surprise, my husband was kneeling before me pleading for forgiveness that he wants me and the kid back home, then i gave Happy a call regarding sudden change of my husband and he made it clear to me that my husband will love me till the end of the world, that he will never leave my sight. Now me and my husband is back together again and has started doing pleasant things he hasn't done before, he makes me happy and do what he is suppose to do as a man without nagging. Please if you need help of any kind, kindly contact dr osasuyi for help and you can reach him via email: drosasuyi@gmail.com

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  42. my name is grace, this is a true life story that happen to me .i want to share a secret with you, i ought not to have let the cat out of the bag but i think its good for me to share because i dont know who it will be of help to. it is a story about my life, i was married for 15years me and my husband have been living in peace and harmony because we love each other very much, but how long will that last if i am not able to conceive for him,because of the pressure from the family he started misbehaving. he now stay late at night though i have been going to the hospital to see the doctor, he always tell me that nothing is wrong with me i did all i could but nothing good came out of it. i was frustrated then i told one of my trusted friend about it she told me not to worry that she also experienced almost the same issue. then she narrated her own side of the story and how she was helped by dr.obamaigi and she is living happily with her husband. then she gave me his contact, to cut the long story short, with the help of dr.obamaigi and his marvelous power now i am pregnant.when i went to the hospital the doctor told me that its twin am so happy my husband is now well behave i thank GOD for using dr.obamaigi to save my marriage.i still remember what he told me, he said everything is possible for those that believe and have faith, for it is possible with your expectation anything you want i give, believe you will receive.this is his contact dr.obamaigi@gmail.com i wish you best of luck................

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  43. I lost my 1 years relationship three months ago . My ex left me with so many pains and since then I have been heart broken and shattered. I have contact 11 spell casters and 8 of them has rip me off my money without any result. I have Emailed so many sites online looking for a good spell caster till I was directed by a 19 years old girl to DR help At first I never believed him because he was requesting for some amount of money to buy items, it took him three weeks to convince me and something occur to my mind and I said let me give him a try . I was very shocked when Marcus called three days after I sent Dr HELP the items money. He apologies for all he has done wrong and I am very happy that we are together today because he proposed to me last night that we are getting married next month. I will advise you contact Email wisdomspelltemple1@gmail.com because he has done wonders in my life and I believe he can help you out in any problem. FROM MISS NADIA

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  44. The only man who can help you fix your Marriage and Relationship After a Divorce or Breakup,I want to let the whole world know about Dr ugbor the Great spell caster that brought back the father of my 2 kids after we have been separated for 4 years.I only pay for the items required for the spell and he cast the spell for me within 48hours my ex called me and beg me to forgive him for every thing and now we are back together.if you need a real and quick love spell,or pregnancy problem than Dr ugbor is the answer you can email him now on,drugborspellhome@gmail.com or call him with this number,+2348054265852

    DOCTOR UGBOR CAN AS WELL CURE THE FOLLOWING DISEASE

    1. HIV/AIDS
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    4. ALS

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  45. Good day everyday i dont know how to give thanks to the great Dr Mustafa who brought back my lover why left me since 2012, I was so surprised to have Lloyd back to my arms after Dr Mustafa did his great work for me. Am happy with mac now i want you people to Thanks Dr Mustafa for me, or if you need his help you can contact him via: dr.mustafa86@yahoo.com

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  46. Midred Jackson Says

    Am giving this testimony because am happy and only GOD in heaven will help me to bless and protect this great spell caster called Dr Otis Darko as he is a GODSENT into my life to change the situation of my life and restore JOY, HAPPINESS AND LAUGHTER into my life again as he alone is who I can say contact because he was the only one that could help me get my ex back to me and made him love and cherish me like never before....

    My name is Midred Jackson from Michigan I never believed in love spells or magic until I met this spell caster once. when I went to Africa in November 28th 2015 last year on a business summit. I ment a man called DR OTIS DARKO. He is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back your love’s gone, misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you, bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job.i’m now happy & a living testimony because the man I had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down because our relationship has been on for 2 years… I really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job. so when I met this spell caster, I told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him and at first I was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but I just gave it a try and in less than 2 days when I returned to MICHIGAN, my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologize for everything and we had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married..I didn’t believe it because the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all I wanted him to do… well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid,and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better. in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help, email address: otisdarko60@yahoo.com and he will help out...

    GREAT OTIS DARKO I thank you very much thank you in 1000000 times.. if not you I would have been losted and wasted thank you. Email Him Through his email address... otisdarko60@yahoo.com

    Please make sure you contact him for any financial difficulties okay or any kind of problem you are facing in life as this man is GODSENT into this world to help everyone solve their problems today in life..

    What a powerful man such as DR OTIS DARKO.. he is so much powerful..\\ email him for any difficulties.. otisdarko60@yahoo.com................... YOU CAN ALSO ADD HIM UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136

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  49. I wake up everyday with a smile on my face and singing praises to this powerful spell caster called Dr,Okaya who has done me a great favor by rescuing my relationship from break up. I used to think that i have a perfect relationship till when my lover started coming home late and everyday he gives me different excuses then i decided to keep a close eye on him then i discovers that he was having an affair with another Woman, I was heart broken because i trusted him so much and knowing that he has a secret relationship, hurts me a lot.. But i thank all those who placed the contact information of Dr,Okaya on the internet because through that i have been able to contact Dr, and today my relationship has been restored with love and more Respect than ever before. If you are in any kind of relationship or marriage stress i will do you a favor by dropping the contact information's of Dr,Okaya which are via email: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM ... OR call Him on his number +27835927209

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  50. I wake up everyday with a smile on my face and singing praises to this powerful spell caster called Dr,Okaya who has done me a great favor by rescuing my relationship from break up. I used to think that i have a perfect relationship till when my lover started coming home late and everyday he gives me different excuses then i decided to keep a close eye on him then i discovers that he was having an affair with another Woman, I was heart broken because i trusted him so much and knowing that he has a secret relationship, hurts me a lot.. But i thank all those who placed the contact information of Dr,Okaya on the internet because through that i have been able to contact Dr, and today my relationship has been restored with love and more Respect than ever before. If you are in any kind of relationship or marriage stress i will do you a favor by dropping the contact information's of Dr,Okaya which are via email: OKAYASPELLHELP@GMAIL.COM ... OR call Him on his number +27835927209

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  51. My name is Michelle Terri. lives Ireland i want to share to the world of a testimony of how my family was restored back,my husband and i was divorced for the past three years and left with me three kids, ever since then i have been finding it hard to survive with my kids, which involves my kids not able to continue their education,so i read of a testimony of how a separated family was brought back together as a happy family with the help of a spell caster. so with that i had it in my mind if only her family is back then mine will be a thing of the past, then i had to contact the spell caster whose name is DR IGBA, of igbaspellhome@yahoo.com who told me never to worry and told me that my husband will come begging me for forgiveness in the next 48hours. behold 48hours later i received a call from my husband asking me were i am staying which came to pass and did what exactly what DR IGBA has said. And now we are back together and my three kids are back in school.thanks to a great Dr IGBA right now I`m the most happiest woman on earth and me and my husband is living a happy life and our love is now stronger than how it were even before our break up.All thanks goes to DR IGBA for the excessive work that he has done for me by helping me to get back with my husband. I would like to drop DR IGBA mail address and hope you see this testimony and contact him if you have a lover that you really want back so badly, His mail:( igbaspellhome@yahoo.com )call or him WHATS-APP:+2347053728380.

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  52. I seem to be grieving for too long. I've been divorced for over a year and I had been the one who filed for it. The main reasons for the divorce were that I and my husband had been very loving, caring and sharing a lot of common things for almost 15 years. Whoever we met would comment how much we complement each other. My husband got a job outside of the country, where I also joined him with the children, but I was not working. He changed drastically and became intolerant and undermining me. I tried to hold on to the marriage until I realized I was beginning to believe what he was saying about me. Although I was not happy to leave him behind, he insisted that I leave and go look for a job in our country where he would join us later. Once I was in our original country I began to be very angry with the way he treated me when I was not working. We squabbled all the time over the telephone. By the time he rejoined us in our country, he had totally lost interest in me. All in all, I felt betrayed, abused and then discarded. While I have rebuilt my life and continue to do so, I realize that I miss our life and that the divorce has affected our children a lot. He stays with someone now, whereas I am unable to form a relationship. It is as if I do not want to be in a relationship anymore. But I feel lonely, depressed. Sometimes I wish I was already 60 yrs old so that I am closer to death. But after contacting Lord Afar at (ancientpowerfulspell@outlook.com) or his web site:
    http://ancientpowerfulspell.webs.com at once my husband came back home and never leave again.

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