tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post7844667458229134251..comments2024-03-29T05:05:01.273+11:00Comments on Thinking Out Aloud: Racism: A Short History (2)Lorenzohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00305933404442191098noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-73104232695060170222018-06-28T11:18:18.390+10:002018-06-28T11:18:18.390+10:00The Arabs refused to negotiate with Israel because...The Arabs refused to negotiate with Israel because it was Jewish. Arab (and especially Palestinian) media is saturated with Jew hatred. How does that differ from racism?Lorenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00305933404442191098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-21551005152231971402018-06-28T11:16:42.484+10:002018-06-28T11:16:42.484+10:00(1) IQ is not a moral quality.
(2) A different pat...(1) IQ is not a moral quality.<br />(2) A different pattern of distribution of a characteristic with a large degree of overlap does not differentiate in the way racism needs, because it does not tell you about individual members.Lorenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00305933404442191098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-53046255955623420572018-06-27T17:22:51.886+10:002018-06-27T17:22:51.886+10:00Racism is defined in the Oxford dictionary as the ...Racism is defined in the Oxford dictionary as the idea that some races are better than others. According to some psychologists, some races have higher IQs than others. Ergo there are reasonable grounds for thinking that racism is a valid doctrine, at least as far as IQ goes. QED.Ralph Musgravehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09443857766263185665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-55496957776408793592012-11-13T20:14:39.327+11:002012-11-13T20:14:39.327+11:00It's funny to me how most of Jewish community ...It's funny to me how most of Jewish community seem to remember all the disadvantages and oppressions that their ancestors suffered from, which we all feel sorry for, and turn their heads on the oppressions done in Israel against people of Palestine. I see it myself, people across Israeli media calling for the necessity of using absolute force dealing with Arabs existing in the aria. I saw a number of incidents where officers are harassing children under 17 years old by searching them and shouting some racial words in the attempt of oppressing the few only schools for Arabs until the point that they give up and the parents would be forced to take their children out of school. I remember even when Palestinians started immigrating to the US and other countries, forced out from countries where they were born and lived most of their life. I remember my young Palestinian friend Omar, who told us in school that they came here until the situation in his country gets better, which was a false image drawn by his family because the situation kept getting worse and Arab population dropped massively . <br /><br /><br /><br />So please tell me how is it that Zionism differs from racism ?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-33766687798647134312010-10-09T21:29:42.192+11:002010-10-09T21:29:42.192+11:00More than a few people have attempted to character...<i>More than a few people have attempted to characterize Zionism as racism because it is the movement of a group that conceives itself in ethnic, nationalist and religious terms.</i><br /><br />Someone should tell those people that Zionism arose as a self-defence mechanism against those who actually FORCED Jews into the ethnic, national, and religious margins, and then persecuted and mass-murdered them.<br /><br />Ironically, it is precisely those anti-Semites who forced the Jews finally to defend themselves, who then led the Zionism = Racism charge.<br /><br />The evil of the Socialists never sleeps.Peter Pattonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-63923879836239809552010-10-07T21:05:38.361+11:002010-10-07T21:05:38.361+11:00Thanks.Thanks.Michanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-15500005895121637792010-10-05T23:39:47.318+11:002010-10-05T23:39:47.318+11:00Micha, on Zionism-as-racism: the claim to a Jewish...Micha, on Zionism-as-racism: the claim to a Jewish state is no more racist than a claim to a Danish, Swedish etc state. Israel allows non-Jews to be citizens and to fully engage in political life, it therefore clearly fails to live up to Frederickson's definition of <i>… racism exists when one ethnic group or historical collectivity dominates, excludes, or seeks to eliminate another on the basis of differences that it believes are hereditable and unalterable.</i> That conversion to Judaism is possible, though difficult, further separates Zionism from racism. (The rescue of the Falashas comes to mind in particular, even if there may be informal prejudice within Israel.)<br /><br />I take your point about Israel and gays, though I would point out that:<br />(1) the current Israeli PM is, as far as I am aware, the only Head of Government to speak up at the UN for the rights of homosexuals; <br />(2) as a long-term reader of <a href="http://www.lucasblog.com/category/michael-lucas/" rel="nofollow">Michael Lucas</a> (so NOT worksafe), I am aware that Israel can be surprisingly welcoming of gay Russian Jewish porn director (who happens to be an ardent Zionist); and<br />(3) the recent murderous attack on a gay youth centre was condemned with apparently genuine feeling across the Israeli political spectrum.Lorenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00305933404442191098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-8342312634284298562010-10-05T20:20:51.598+11:002010-10-05T20:20:51.598+11:00More than a few people have attempted to character...More than a few people have attempted to characterize Zionism as racism because it is the movement of a group that conceives itself in ethnic, nationalist and religious terms. <br /><br />I disagree, of course, but I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about this.Michanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2197051945822486684.post-29777869260360865472010-10-05T20:18:42.018+11:002010-10-05T20:18:42.018+11:00"One of the great divisions in contemporary a..."One of the great divisions in contemporary affairs is between those who understand (implicitly or explicitly) that the yellow stars and pink triangles of the death camps impart the same lessons, and those who do not. Many practising Christians and, sadly, Jews, do not: it seems that most Israelis, however, do."<br /><br />In all fairness I would say that Israel is like the US in that it has a very vocal religious-conservative minority that is vocally anti-gay, and vocal liberal minority that supports gay rights, and a center that doesn't hate gays but is not that supportive either.<br /><br />In Israel there are two extreme attitudes toward the holocaust. On one side you have people who emphasize a specifically Jewish lesson, and tend to be hostile to trying to speak in the same sense of other peoples affected by the Nazis or other genocides. On the other extreme side are people who emphasize a universal lesson of hostility against racism and prejudice in general. But, as you know, this sometimes (but not always) comes together with hostility to any Jewish particular lesson. Some people are in the middle.Michanoreply@blogger.com